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| Author: | Andrew Chick [ Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union Meeting - Mar 8th 2014 |
Of interest to members is the upcoming The Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union Saturday, March 08, 2014 - Whisby NR Education Centre at 2pm AGM and Presidential Address by Ian Macalpine-Leny AGM Followed by the Presidential Address by Ian Macalpine-Leny: “The contribution that the management of land for sporting purposes has made to conservation in Lincolnshire” |
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| Author: | Alex Lees [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union Meeting - Mar 8th 2014 |
Sounds like an interesting talk, John Cordeaux mentioned the shooting fraternity's contribution to county natural history in 1893 in his 'Presidential Address' to the Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union: “I fear there is no class of men who, considering the very favourable opportunities they have, are so proverbially ignorant of the economy of out-door life as the gamekeepers, and so systematically destroy what it is often their best interest to preserve. Agriculturists, too, as a class, with but few exceptions, are deplorably indifferent to, and ignorant of, the most elementary principles of Natural Science. They care for none of these things.” and he went on: “Unfortunately, in England the inculcation of scientific knowledge is left almost entirely to private enterprise and in the hands of such societies as ours. This is not the case in foreign states, and notably so in America, where neither pains nor expense are spared in instructing the people. I have now before me a volume, most beautifully illustrated, recently published and issued by the American Government Department of Agriculture, on " The Hawks and Owls of the United States." This book has been scattered wholesale, as a free gift, over the land, and is intended to teach the American farmer the great usefulness of birds of prey, and the good which, as a rule, they confer upon him. Surely we have had object lessons sufficient to bring this matter forcibly home to us in that plague of field voles which has laid waste some of the great sheep farms beyond the border, and the plague of rats in Lincolnshire.” http://www.archive.org/stream/naturalhi ... h_djvu.txt Things have obviously changed significantly, we now have some large raptors back at least but countryside stewardship is being repeatedly question by the media in the wake of the flooding which can be directly attributed to poor land management and perverse subsidies. I hope the talk is 'balanced', obviously provision of game cover and retention of what little woodland cover is left in the country is positive, although the impacts of the release of millions of large-bodied non-native gamebirds is likely only to be negative.... I will be intrigued to hear a synopsis for the talk and would definitely go if I were not a hemisphere away. cheers Alex |
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| Author: | Ian Macalpine-leny [ Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union Meeting - Mar 8th 2014 |
Alex, Many thanks for your interesting comments. I would like to think that if John Cordeaux could come to my talk he would be very encouraged because as you rightly say, things have come a long way in the last 110 years. If you are not a member of the LNU and you send me your mailing address I will see that you get sent a reprint when this is published in Transactions of the Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union in October. If I can arrange for an on line version (which will be a first for the LNU, and I don't know whether this will be permissable), I will send you a link. Best wishes, Ian M-L |
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| Author: | Ian Macalpine-leny [ Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union Meeting - Mar 8th 2014 |
My Presidential Address on "The Contribution that the Management of Land for Sporting Purposes has made to Conservation in Lincolnshire" will follow the LNU AGM at 3.15 pm on Saturday 8 March at the Education Centre, Whisby Nature Park. Non-members are very welcome. Ian M-L |
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| Author: | Alex Lees [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union Meeting - Mar 8th 2014 |
Hi Ian Thanks for replying, I would love a reprint when available as I'm ashamedly not a member, I'll send you a personal message with my UK address on here. I'm pretty interested in the conservation trade-offs associated with game management in lowland and upland Britain - see e.g. http://www.bto.org/sites/default/files/ ... etters.pdf cheers Alex |
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| Author: | Andrew Chick [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union Meeting - Mar 8th 2014 |
This meeting is tomorrow..... |
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| Author: | Hugh Middleton [ Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union Meeting - Mar 8th 2014 |
Alex - you are in for a treat. It was an excellent address. Hugh |
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| Author: | Alex Lees [ Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union Meeting - Mar 8th 2014 |
Hugh Middleton wrote: Alex - you are in for a treat. It was an excellent address. Hugh Excellent, October is a long way away... any chance of a digest Hugh? |
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| Author: | Hugh Middleton [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union Meeting - Mar 8th 2014 |
Excellent, October is a long way away... any chance of a digest Hugh?[/quote] It was an hour long presentation so is difficult and perhaps unfair to do a digest. Most will have taken different things from it. It was certainly thought provoking. For me the main thing was the need for more 'joined up' thinking. The quote towards the end of various groups playing marbles in the middle of the road while the juggernaut rushes towards them made this point admirably. Hugh |
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| Author: | Alex Lees [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union Meeting - Mar 8th 2014 |
Thanks Hugh, those comments do seem fairly appropriate, the issue of 'inter-agency' co-operation between NGOs & Quangos is stymied by different policy perspectives and is entirely political in nature.... Wandering around Foston at Christmas one can't stop and look at how cr@p for biodiversity and poorly-managed the Lincs countryside is. One hopes for some more pro-active 'top-down' control that leads to better landscape-scale connectivity, reforestation alongside watercourses etc. that have all sorts of trickle-down economic benefits. I'm still waiting to read a decent evidence-based paper looking at trade-offs between shooting and biodiversity. It would make a good PhD for someone. |
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| Author: | Alex Lees [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lincolnshire Naturalists' Union Meeting - Mar 8th 2014 |
Hi Ian I picked up a shiny reprint of this talk yesterday from my work pigeonhole which I enjoyed reading last night, so a big thank you for remembering me and sending it over. I'm off back to the UK today so I nearly dipped out. It would be great if a PDF was made available as I have lots of comments on the thesis (both positive and negative) which would be great to discuss on here. I was very pleased to see the context of the CAP discussed and the inclusion of shifting baselines, whilst we are on the subject of predator control this: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced ... ibi.12223/ out today. Biggest omission for me is the issues of maintaining high biomass of non-native species and the cascade effects they may have in terms of competition and increasing parasite loads for native taxa like Grey Partridges and Turtle Doves e.g. http://journals.cambridge.org/action/di ... 2014001474 and http://www.bou.org.uk/disease-and-turtle-doves/ Lots of stuff to discuss! cheers Alex |
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