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Author:  Steve Watson [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
7 Avocets today.
Cheers - Steve

PS. 6 Avocets at Worlaby mid-afternoon on the 30.5 on the wet field before the Level Crossing - Hard to see from the road now the vegetation is getting taller - Take a ladder.

Damage limitation - Stable Door, Horse etc.... If you think it needs more editing send me a PM.....Until then? Let me explain here and now been as we are here.

I had made an edit to this post after a polite PM from another member I assumed it would OK as before I reposted it I searched the site and found posts not unlike / simular to the one you've read from me.
However, yes a geniune mistake. In my defence: I am reasonably new at this and a PM would have done, I would have known about it sooner and would have been able to action things far quicker.
I have been reading posts on the LBC for some time and had I have seen this type of dialog caused by previous posts of this nature, there didn't seem to be any when I looked? We wouldn't been at this point now.

Soz - From the little boy who you were talking about like he wasn't in the room :wink:
Moving on now - See you out there - Steve
Author:  Roger Hebb [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
Also there today,1 hobby.
rog.
Author:  Graham Catley [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
come on chaps ---- what are the rules re Schedule 1 birds on this forum!!!!!!!! ----possible eggers already noted at one of these sites they do not need bandying about

are there no moderators looking at these posts?
Author:  Roger Hebb [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
I agree with Graham Catley,i could not believe this was put out,i did add a hobby too out of complete frustration.graham is completly correct,please think before submitting such details,ive been watching these birds since day one as gpc can probably guess.
having said that the birder in question i guess has made a genuine mistake and probably does not know of the disastrous outcomes of breeding at blacktoft caused by b h gulls.
Roger.
Author:  John T Goy [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
Graham and Rog,

I wholeheartedly agree with both of your comments. When I first read the posting I couldn't believe my eyes. I even checked the Schedule.

I was slated last year by one particular member of the Admin team, he knows who he is, because I put Woodlark on here, even though I didn't say where I'd seen it, but had posted other sightings nearby.

It's not only the Avocets that are getting reported on here other Schedule 1 birds are.

Is it just a coincidence that since the forum went membership only, there seems to have been no postings deleted for whatever reason? Or am I wrong?
Author:  Roger Hebb [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
Hi steve,
Dont worry about it,weve all done it at sometime or other my biggest one was a hobby somewhere on the wolds edge,regular posts were put out from this site of hobby and young birds,so i assume theyd flown the nest and were being fed after leaving it,i only went and gave the exact location of the nest,to be honest when i was told off i felt really bad about revealing such details,especially as i love raptors..........cest la vie.
cheers for now.
Rog.
Author:  Stuart Britton [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
May I make a suggestion. The policy of the Mid-Lincs Ringing Group is that, if we catch a rare/Schedule 1 bird out of the breeding season, then we willingly publicize the find if access is suitable for other birders to see it. (ie White-throated Sparrow). However, in the breeding season we only inform the County Recorder and the BTO Ringing Office who, in turn, inform the Rare Birds Breeding Panel. If bird watchers come across Schedule 1 Breeding Birds why do they need to publicize the fact to all and sundry as it would no doubt lead to more disturbance to the breeding birds which is illegal.
Author:  Roger Hebb [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
Hang on a minute Stuart,you are stating the bleeding obviuos!!!are we on the whole quite responsible i believe,i believe most birders are,genuine mistakes like the avocets come about from new /novice birders who have not yet grasped the schedules etc,when one goes on the humber or alkboro flats and steve may have seen loads of avocets he may not have realised the status of the said bird,im sure he would not deliberatly realease details of schedule 1 birds,likewise most birders wouldnt.
Rog.
Author:  Graham Catley [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
Spreading news about any breeding bird locality, Schedule 1 or otherwise, unless the birds are visible from an organised distant view point eg the Montys or a public hide, is bound to increase disturbance to the birds through human presence and is simply unnecessary; people seem to forget that it is not just birders who read these posts on an open forum and if there is any question of a bird breeding then information should be withheld; as everyone should know the Wildlife / Countryside code states that the welfare of the bird must come first; it is though rather sad that discussions on subjects like this seem to be the mainstay of this forum when sensible and interesting discussions on the recent east coast arrivals of scarce migrants are totally lacking; surely that what what this forum was set up around and yet there seems to be total apathy with regard to input based upon a long history of bird migration. Maybe that is why there are so few posts nowadays on here?
Author:  Geoff Mullett [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
Am I being naive here, but if unsavoury characters can access this forum, why can't it be made more secure, with a requirement to log in with a password that is only issued when the individual's credentials can be verified? When new members wish to join, can it not be by invitation only, or by providing a reference or two, which would either be current members, or membership of another birding organisation? It might make it difficult for people moving into the area to sign up, but they would understand and if out birding often enough, they would meet up with others who could eventually vouch for them.
As a comparatively novice birder, whether I rush off to see a rarity or not, I like to know what's on our patch, it helps me learn more about their behaviour and habitat. It seems to defeat the object of the forum to selectively suppress reports, particularly when they are sometimes posted on other sites by people who aren't aware of the concern shown by some members of this forum.

Geoff
Author:  Katherine Birkett [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
Geoff Mullett wrote:
but if unsavoury characters can access this forum

There's nothing savoury about me! :wink: :mrgreen: :twisted:
Author:  Roger Hebb [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
For gods sake stuart and gpc-stop stating the bleeding obvious!!!we all know the content of your submission and find it rather patronising that you need to point out these rather well known areas of concern,we do live on planet earth not mars,as for the lack of submissions on the lincs coast migration,that in my opinion is down to the lack of birders on the lincs coast,dont start laying down rules and regulations when the little bittern at msq was deliberatly flushed out of the marsh at msq in the evening so certain birders could at last see it!!!,i wonder who they could have been?after birders all day spent hours including myself didnt manage to see it.
as for steve,dont worry about your avocet disclosure,its a genuine mistake and should have been regonised as such by mr britton and mr catley,unfortuantly they love getting on to their high horse,also there is lesser posts because people such as gpc mock and disbelieve certain genuine sightings,leaving people with the option of not contributing their records,that is the main problem on this site not the issues identified by gpc.
yours
Roger Hebb.
Author:  Alan Hudson [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
This is my one and only post on the matter before some poor soul gets tarred and feathered for their ' mistake'. Acocets migrate to this country to breed , this is their purpose in life. Everyone knew they were there and so it could be assumed they were possibly going to breed.A few days ago the fact they were breeding was in a detailed colour spread article in the Scunthorpe Telegraph!!! Where did they get the information from??? The Lincolnshire Wildlife Trust ?????. After this even non birding friends were rushing to give me the news.
Author:  John T Goy [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
Why hasn't one of the admin team had their say? Or are they waiting to let it run it's course and then locking it as is usual.
Author:  Geoff Mullett [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Avocets Messingham 13:00 - 15:30 - 4.6.08
[quote="John T Goy"]Why hasn't one of the admin team had their say?
Quite! I expected a rational reply to my question about site security. I thought I might learn something – obviously not!

Geoff
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