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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:53 pm 
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Wilson's Phal, Alkborough flats : Present again early evng

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:03 pm 
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could have gone if id known,have seen one at gib years ago thou.PRESENT AGAIN??ive checked the birdguides site and this is the only report filled on that site,so that poses 2 questions:1,when was it first present,how long has it been there?we are talking about alk flats thou..................but it should not be like this anymore the whole reserve has improved with much more access doing away with the need for permits,there are now 3 superb hides,i particuly like the 3rd hide overlooking the marsh(the hide walked to turning right out the car park)this continued secrecy does my head in.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:59 pm 
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Can I just set the record straight once and for all about Alkborough Flats.

No one has ever had a permit to go onto Alkborough Flats. The site has a public footpath network through it that allows you to view most of the site. Permits have never been issued and I believe, never will be.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:21 pm 
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The full report of the Wilson's Phalarope sighting on my pager today reads:

Lincs. Wilson's Phalarope 7 miles north of Scunthorpe at Alkborough Flats
at 6.30 p.m then flew across river towards Blacktoft Sands with Ruff.
Also present briefly this morning.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:37 pm 
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Congratulations to GPC for finding this bird (according to his blog).
I was talking to some other birders this morning saying nothing gets found on the coast since he's stopped looking. Come back,but please put your news out if you do.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:21 am 
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in reply to k&s pavin about permits, access etc to Alkborough Flats i would like to know who has control over the reserve. To state that access would never be granted seems to be a very definate statement with a certain amount of knowledge attached to it.
Myself as a contributer to various conservation bodies and know these bodies receive a great amount of tax payers money. I am also a tax payer which makes me a stake holder. Who pays the wagers of people who run the reserve and whom or what do they run the reserve for if there is not to be any public access.
Rarities in the breeding season i can understand and endorse but migrants in a not a sensitive time i find strangely puzzling.
I cannot name another reserve that has no access at any time, is this English Nature ? who runs it ?for what seems to me a very elite few who seem to be answerable to nobody.
I feel that questions need to be both asked and answered in a constructive way and feel any contributions and funding made upon the behalf of myself either through income tax or membership of an organisation need to be accounted for not to set up a private reserve for a few individuals.
How can conservation benefit from keeping the public away. This is what happens on grouse moors to the and look what happens to hen harriers and all birds of prey.
I do not usually like sticking a stick in an hornets nest and everyone seems to skirt around the real issues. I care not that a wilsons phal as been seen there, it is all about access and rights as an individual who cares about conservation.

an ever so slightly annoyed Terry Whalin :? :evil:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:55 am 
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I agree with mr Whalins comments,You are wrong K Spavin,im sure i remember roy or gpc saying at one time certain people had permits or most definitly had permission to go into areas others could not.The only answer i can think of is for me to go down there on a more regular basis and hopefully find stuff myself which i will/would gladly share with all lincs birders..after all thats what it is all about,is"nt it???. :x
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:57 am 
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"Birdguides" has reported a Wilson's Phalarope at Blacktoft Sands RSPB East Yorks this morning.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:57 am 
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Alkborough Flats clearly has a public footpath network running straight through it. When the site first opened some of the paths were not in place making access difficult. The paths are now all open. The site is owned by Natural England, the Environment Agency and North Lincolnshire Council. There is a site manager and an assistant there on site. They are both employed by North Lincolnshire Council, Environment Team. I also work in the Environment Team. The managers name is Anna Moody. She can be contacted on 01724 721269 and she will willingly answer any questions you have.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:28 pm 
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hi Karen,
yes its great now i walked last week from Whitton and they have done a good job,the hedgerows walking from whitton look good for a rarity,
keep up the good work.
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its back at alkborough


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:01 pm 
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S and K Spavin wrote:
Can I just set the record straight once and for all about Alkborough Flats.

No one has ever had a permit to go onto Alkborough Flats. The site has a public footpath network through it that allows you to view most of the site. Permits have never been issued and I believe, never will be.

Karen Spavin


Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember reading a thread earlier this year [or was told by a well known birder] that a couple of birders maybe three had permits to access certain areas of Alkboro Flatts to conduct surveys, and I'm positive that one of those mentioned was yourself!

PS: On May 22nd Roy Harvey said and I quote " much of Alkboro Flats is fenced off and designated 'private property' only those with permits for surveying etc have permission to enter". At the time he said this I distinctly remember you didn't reply to what he said. The thread was started by Deano in regard to the BBS. I'm positive Roy would have had his facts correct before making his statement to the members of this forum.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:30 am 
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Karen thanks for the p m via this site and your reply with a phone number and explaining who has a finger in the pie so to speak.
What i was getting at is can i take it that no permits have been issued to anyone regardless of any fancy name attached to themselves, ( what does enviromental team mean ) and who is in this team and do they have permits or not.
the original statement was no one and nobody has a permit ?? !!.
I am scratching my thatch to follow this, its seems smoke and mirrors to me.

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How about a "press release" from Anna Moody about the current state of play at Alkborough. That would hopefully be the final word on the subject. Clearly there is a lot of confusion surrounding the site, and one statement from the top about this could clear the air once and for all. History, current state of play and future intentions.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:15 pm 
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John, regarding the permit situation at Alkborough, my information was incorrect.
I reported what I had been told at the time.
Karen, because of her job, is clearly in a good position to know what the situation is.

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