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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:02 pm 
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Forgot to add, that Phil Espin would be grossly offended to think you mistook me for him,

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:50 am 
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Profuse apologies for the name slip.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:28 am 
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Ap update on the Dunlin identification issue.
Dean Nicholson has been communicating privately with GPC, JC, GH and myself on the subject of the racial identity of this bird and has forwarded a number of photo's to Martin Garner, who has a keen interest in this sort of thing. Martin is almost certainly on the Shetland Isles at this time so it might take a while to get a response, but the forum will be advised when we do.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:37 pm 
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Hi Freddy

That was Phil Hyde who suggested asking Tony Prater not me. Luckily I didn't actually see the bird in question, it had gone by the time I got round to that side of the res! I should add that no offence has been taken.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:00 pm 
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Phil,
Apologies for that name slip.........I'd just been re-reading my summer 'Spotted Flycatcher Notes' where a certain Phil Espin had given me 3 successful leads for Edlington (22 June), Hopland's Wood (27 June) and Swinhope (6 July) : hence, as they say, " you were on my mind ."

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:44 pm 
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No problem Freddy. Lets see if this Dunlin is just a race we should all be familiar with !

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:40 pm 
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Regarding the pictures of the long-billed Dunlin that Dean Nicholson has sent to Martin Garner,
this was Martin's response -

Wow looks interesting. Will have a proper look when back from Shetland after Oct 10

Cheers Martin


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:33 pm 
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Thanks for updating this thread, Roy. That is surely the sort of reaction from Martin Garner your ID focus group and the followers of this thread have been hoping for : a " Wow " does help to raise the ante. :D

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Has anybody been in touch with Martin garner lately in regards to this specific bird?

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Hi Anthony.
There have been some exhaustive studies on Bill lengths, wintering ranges and Taxonomy of North American Dunlin Calidris Alpina.
The bill lengths were important to the studies as bill length, unlike plumage does not change from summer to wintering grounds.....

I believe that North American Dunlin is divided into 3 subspecies, with the Alaskan population considered to belong to a single subspecies.
One of which has a very long bill but cant recall which. #-o Yet!

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I am finding it difficult to find definitive information on this subject, so will be intrigued to see if Martin can shed some light on the Covenham bird.

As Dunlin are among the most variable of shorebird species, with significant differences in morphology and size across their range. I wonder if it is possible to safely assign racial identity to a long-billed Dunlin. :?

It is known that throughout the regions Dunlin are found. They show a wide regional variation in bill and wing length, as well as overall plumage and body mass. Size differences also vary clinally across breeding longitudes.
With the smallest races in Greenland, increasing northerly across Europe and Russia, with the largest races found in Alaska and Canada.
Bill length in the largest Dunlin races may be around 30 percent greater than in the smallest and it appears to make a difference (Size does matter) when choosing a mate. :(

Studies in the late '80s, early '90s showed that Dunlin males were on average smaller than females and generally had shorter bills.
That Shorter-billed male Dunlin may be chosen by their partners in terrestrial habitats, as their short bills would be advantageous during male parental care, brood-rearing and possibly during their display flights.
Selection of larger sized birds with longer bills is probably associated with the production of larger eggs and being more efficient when feeding close to the shore in lakes or marine habitats, respectively.
This selection process may favour large females when competing for mates and food resources but can we also tell the difference in the field, when if/not also in breeding plumage.

Was it Calidris alpina pacifica, arcticola or hudsonia maybe :?:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:34 pm 
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When we check back to the original post of this thread (19 Sep 11), we see that as well as admiring the visiting American Black Tern which arrived at Covenham in the wake of the remnants of Hurricane Katia, members were intrigued by the possible origin of THREE other birds present. Indeed, were all three also Yanks ? :

a.Dunlin....about which additional posts have appeared recently.

b.Two Red-necked Grebes....about whose possible geographical origin Graham Catley had already commented on in an interesting post (17 Sep 11 - Gen Lincs Birding).

So the wider question is...."Are there any updates not only on the Dunlin but also on the two Red-necked Grebes" ?

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Interesting Freddy ,

Why can't a Dunlin have a large bill ? I saw this Bird and thought its a Dunlin with a large bill

Always makes me laugh why everything has got to be turned into a rarity ?

Animals, Birds do vary ...

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Dean Eades wrote:
Interesting Freddy ,
Why can't a Dunlin have a large bill ? I saw this Bird and thought its a Dunlin with a large bill. Always makes me laugh why everything has got to be turned into a rarity ? Animals, Birds do vary ...

Your right Dean and I should also have added.

"Was it Calidris alpina pacifica, arcticola or hudsonia maybe?" - Or just another Dunlin with a long bill.

Hope you all have a Happy and bird filled new year.

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