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 Post subject: Re: mystery mega?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:02 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: mystery mega?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:19 pm 
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Yep I think he worked it out from GPC's hint but who knows?

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 Post subject: Re: mystery mega?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:22 am 
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At last someone has taken notice of my question of " why doesn't anyone give us a quiz question", we have a quiz section so why wasn't it put on there, to fool us of course :wink:

Come on admin staff move it to the Quiz Section [-X :lol:

No point me having a go at the song, I'm still learning

Well done that man.

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 Post subject: Re: mystery mega?
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If it where a 'Mega' in North Linc's it would have never appeared on this forum!.

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 Post subject: Re: mystery mega?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:07 pm 
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Stephen Routledge wrote:
If it where a 'Mega' in North Linc's it would have never appeared on this forum!.


You reckon? ;o)

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 Post subject: Re: mystery mega?
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Ill go with Lesser Whitethroat...


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 Post subject: Re: mystery mega?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:20 pm 
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OK folks I hope these links to better recordings work -- the bird was nothing like as vocal yesterday and after being drowned by the first thunderstorm I had to do a runner to avoid the second but will try and get some more another day --

the bird in question at least on the outside looked like a male Common Whitethroat as noted by Kev -- it never gave the usual Whitethroat song and always repeated this phrase with occasionally some warbling twitter at the end just audible in one of the recordings below; it does probably sound more akin to Lesser Whitethroat so could it have some LW genes? have the two closely related species ever hybridised? As noted it just looked like a worn male Common Whitethroat but I did not get any photos --

http://www.xeno-canto.org/138397

http://www.xeno-canto.org/138396
http://www.xeno-canto.org/138395


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D.I.M. Wallace in Birds of the Western Palearctic states that variants of Common Whitethroat song include a rattle suggestive of Lesser Whitethroat. I have not knowingly heard a Common Whitethroat deliver such a song, however.


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 Post subject: Re: mystery mega?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:07 pm 
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It is easy to forget that birdsong is learned and not innate, so Graham has set us an interesting conundrum - less a quiz and more a guessing game. When you knock on a door, as has happened to me, and a voice says, 'Come in', on entering you expect to see a fellow human and not an Indian mynah. One needs to have seen the bird in a case like this to identify it.

However, the bird has to be innately capable of learning the song and reproducing it. One would not expect a carrion crow chick, for example, regardless of how many times it was exposed to the song of a wren, to be able to utter that particular sound - though it would be an intriguing phenomenon. Graham's bird sounds like a lesser whitethroat with an added trill so I would expect it to be closely related, probably another Sylvia warbler species.

My surmise is, thanks to Graham for the hint that it's not lesser whitethroat, that it is a bird reared by the female parent alone, so not exposed to the song of its male parent, that has become imprinted with the song of its nearest neighbour, a male lesser whitethroat, with the trill picked up from something like a wren and sharing its nesting habitat with those species. Recently I heard common whitethroat and lesser whitethroat singing within a very few metres of one another so my stab in the dark is common whitethroat, or failing that, Indian mynah!

I have listened to the Teign bird, which I believe has no resemblance to the Lincolnshire one. It is more musical, without any harsh notes, and I think may have been been picked up from a blackcap or similar. Without being seen its identity is anyone's guess.

Thanks, Graham, for the reminder that we can't always believe our ears either.

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