The Lincolnshire Bird Club

To bring this discussion back on track. The reports of RBFly & Shrike at 'Grainthorpe Wood' came from a very nice man on the other Linc's forum.

As Roy eluded too.The finder has kindly responded to a request for the location of what he refers too as 'Grainthorpe Wood'. "The small wood that you pass through on the way to the haven, where the track gets rough. It used to be rather bigger but the local 'custodian of the countryside' has reduced it in size to put some turkey sheds in".....

May be mistaken but I thought the track gets rough well before the Sharp bend/corner and Turkey Pens, mentioned in an earlier post. That said unless there are more Turkey pens before that Sharp bend. This must be the location!

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Del.

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ok derek I wasn't trying to get at you or anybody, good records just wasn't sure who had seen them not understanding the system and still don't.
terry whalin

Grainthorpe Wood :- TA 385 006, rocket science it aint.

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I am not getting into personal things about woods or who seen this or that but I am concerned. as a member of the lbc for a fair number of years now and always have freely passed on info to all, I keep seeing all my postings on twitter and cannot recall ever giving my permission or being ask if I mind. people who are on twitter etc seem to get all the info I know and post, but I get none in return. this is hardly reciprocal when you do not always know who has posted or seen the birds. its is like being a second class member or a first class stamp on a letter or a second class stamp. I do not like this, people may say then enrol and join twitter. I already pay for a pager service and ring up and put out interesting things which other people then see and I see what other people report and see, but that doesn't happen with this system, its like being in a horse race so and came first second and third then there is me also ran !!!

yours terry whalin no happy smiling face this time

Wish you'd joined in earlier David. As I drive a Toyota. ;o)

Apologies for labouring the point folks but I got the impression from reading the original reports (not on Twitter) that referring to the site as 'Grainthorpe Wood' was purely a personal choice of name with it being the nearest copse to Grainthorpe Haven.

Not that it was actually named on some map as Grainthorpe Wood.
Or is it?

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Del.

To err is human. To really louse things up takes a computer

Havn't checked yet but assume David's map reference above is for that last bit of woodland next to new Turkey Pens.

Just for the record the name Grainthorpe Wood is as thought, not on a map but still fits the bill for our purpose.
As being the woodland the access road passes through on it's way to Grainthorpe Haven itself.

I would think the confusing questions and off topic comments, including a few of my own. Will make this bit if coastal woodland unforgettable to members on both Lincs forums.
Expect to refer to this woodland as 'Grainthorpe Wood' in future.

Reporting RBFLy & Shrike in the wood was the start of this thread.
Hope there still around tomorrow.

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Del.

To err is human. To really louse things up takes a computer

Terry,

You raise some interesting points, which I will try an address.

However, I will start a new topic that will hopefully cover your concerns regarding (i) the Forum (ii) how the LBC uses the data and (iii) the recent introduction of Twitter to the website.

You are not the first person to question the system! Please bare with me, I will hopefully get something sorted for the weekend,

Regards

Andrew

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just concerned Andrew no great problem but others seem to be trying to turn it into some sort of conflict and I know colin is a vary vary nice guy and would not have mean't any offence and I certainly did not mention woods copse or anything else so I hope dave does not think I mean't in anyway to offend him when my only concern was how twitter is used and protection of sensitive info. have been told that egg collectors trawl sites like facebook twitter and the like for info, that's all Andrew ps would have come as usual to the nov conference but its my birthday so I will see you at the agm, take care, terry whalin

Hahaha, no I'm not getting at anyone, I'm just now waiting to see where this wood is.

As you know Andrew I'm one of the persons to question the system.
All new ideas/systems have teething probkems but I for one am very grateful to you for employing Twitter within the LBC website and I thank you Andrew for having the foresight to recognise the benefits of instant messaging for LBC members and the future of reporting bird news.

I carried and used a pager and a phone for over 2 decades until I switched toTwitter last year.
Now I only need carry my phone, which allows me to send and recieve bird news amongst many other things instantly.

Instant messaging (Twitter) has changed and enriched my birding experience.
I'm in charge of the information recieve with twitter. As It allows me to choose what information I want to recieve and even how much and when I recieve it.

Posting info to LBC forum is OK when sat in front If our PC's but Twitter VIA our telephone is the best system when out birding and In the field.

Twitter is the future of instant information. Hope we don't allow LBC to get left behind because people don't understand how it operates, don't want to make the effort to try it.
I'm no spring chicken folks and if I can use it. Anyone can & more importantly, everyone should.

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Del.

To err is human. To really louse things up takes a computer

it is not the point whether I don't understand it or cannot be bothered to learn it is the instant release of info to the world, some people have inadvertently said something on the web about sites which you can change and remove later with this system you slip up and its gone, that's all and stop trying to make this a personal issue Derek if you want to meet to discuss things I will but I object other people being used to make a point, that sort of thing is viewed by the admin team as being in poor taste. terry, this is an open invitation to you derek. terry whalin

look folks I will have to explain about all this, there has been bad feeling from Derek towards me because of what happened when he became warden of tetney. this is what happened I was down tetney when a report came in about a rb fly at tetney well I was just round the corner and when I got there I could see a vehicle driving up the track that is normally locked with no access. the owner of the land on the corner said to me have you come to see the rare bird that the rspb warden has just found yes I said thinking it was mike pilsworth going down there, nice find by the way. later that day Derek posted on the website that he had found the bird and gone down tetney, I as local group leader had not been informed of this and I reported Derek as what I thought was a trespasser knowing it was a restricted access area and thought the rspb could be in trouble for someone as I thought pretending to be a warden so I contacted pete short and told him. pete was not happy but told me that Derek was a volunteer and nobody had told us. pete said he should not have driven down and was going to suspend him, but it was only my intervention that stopped that happening. didn't know that did you Derek. Derek then accused me by private message of being jealous only wanting to do the job myself, I will reiterate again what I told you Derek I have done over 20 years wardening work and do not want any more. I will never go down tetney and I cannot walk down there my only interest was to get access for the local group as they had ask me to try and do. he then accused me of snubbing him at a local group meeting that was before these incidents. now when susan bought Derek to me at the meeting and introduced you your name mean't absolutely nothing to me and just said pleased to meet you and you will have to excuse me, anyone that's been to our meetings will know how busy I am at the 15 minute break I have to see to the field trip people. in 7 years of going to these meetings I have only had time for 5/6 cups of tea at the break I am always wanted by someone there was no snub mean't or intended it was just circumstance nothing more. then the tetney incident cropped up within days. I am quite willing to draw a line under all this ill feeling, I am not like that I will do anyone a good turn rather than a bad one. if pete had of informed us this would never have happened and I once again extend my hand in a friendly manner to you and forget all about it and start again, what say you Derek. I await your response and I know pete short will read this. I would sooner work together than be in conflict its all to silly tor words, the hand is still extended Derek I do not bear grudges. terry whalin

Terence,

I don't think there was/is a need to explain anything those things, they are between you and Derick. I don't think the forum is the right place to air these comments. It doesn't look one bit good. Argue between yourself via PM? Although the last bit was very sincere.

I hope we can put an end to the thread now that everyone knows where Grainthorpe Wood is

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Thanks Anthony

absolutely agree Derek and I have exchanged personal messages late into the night and as a result I am hopeful we will get together and put all this behind us and become friends it was all a misunderstanding based upon the fact nobody told us Derek was a warden I have invited him for a pint and a meeting I hope he accepts we are both adults my hand is still out there

terry whalin

Derick, re your contention that twitter via phone is the best way to receive information in the field. I disagree. I use the birdguides app on my iphone and have found it an excellent way of receiving direct info in the field and just as importantly fairly easy to submit reports to birdguides too.

I haven't used the LBC twitter feed but I use twitter for other purposes and cannot see how it is better than the birdguides app.

What you seem to be asking for is someone to sit there instantly putting LBC forum messages onto twitter immediately. Who is going to do that?

Other counties eg Suffolk use text messaging to spread info around. It has the additional advantage over twitter that many people still don't have smartphones, but it still needs someone to sit there circulating the gen.